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UFOs, The Bottom Line: My Honest Answers - Norio Hayakawa

Recently on the "Coast to Coast" radio talk show, I tried to answer some of the most frequently asked questions on the UFO phenomenon that are specifically addressed to me.

Here, then, are my straightforward, honest answers to some of those questions:

1) Is there a physical, underground U.S./Alien Joint Bio-Lab in Dulce, New Mexico?

My answer:

To the best of my knowledge, there is no hard, tangible, solid, irrefutable, physical, documentary evidence whatsoever that supports the allegation that there is a physical, underground U.S./alien Joint Bio-Lab in Dulce, New Mexico.
But my personal opinion is that there is "something" there. What that "something" is, I do not know. There is something "real" there, but we still do not know for sure what "real" is. What is "reality" to some people may not be "reality" to another person.

By the way, speaking of Dulce, most people have never heard that in 1967 the U.S. government had experimentally exploded an atomic bomb underground, just about 21 miles southwest of Dulce, New Mexico. It was part of a post-war program called "Plowshare". The U.S. government exploded a nuclear device about one and a half mile underground. That specific experiment was called Project Gasbuggy.
It was experimentally conducted to ease the flow of natural gas in that region. At least that was what the government had said.
Three years ago I had a unique chance to visit Ground Zero there, thanks to the kindness of a Jicarilla Apache resident of Dulce who took me there.
It is my opinion that initially there had been some minor radiation leaks in that area. Some ranchers even told me that the government may have been monitoring the radiation level found in some particular animals, such as certain cows in that region.
Also, I had heard about some recurrent problems in fertility among some women in the Dulce area.

These are questions that still need to be addressed and answered. It is still inconclusive.

Here is my crazy, wild hypothesis on Dulce:

2) Is Area 51 in Nevada still active?

My answer:

Yes, definitely. Even today, if one goes to the large parking area of E.G. & G. Terminal at Las Vegas' McCarren Airport, every weekday it is still filled with vehicles of employees who report to work at Groom Lake, Nevada (Area 51). There are still anywhere from 7 to 8 flights daily going to and from Area 51, on unmarked 737 jets that arrive and depart from the E.G. & G. Terminal.

In the past three years, there has been sizeable additions, clearly visible, to the Area 51 complex. Two years ago, a new 155-foot three-sided bluish radar tower was constructed by the tarmac. More new buildings, water tanks, etc., have been added in the past 3 years. L
ast year, they just finished the construction of a humongous, new hangar towards the south of the complex. This new hangar is close to 4 times the size of the H-18 Hangar, until then the largest one on the complex.

Also, as of two months ago, they just completed the paving of the Groom Lake Road, from the complex all the way to the East perimeter boundary. A new communication tower has also been constructed near the East Guard Shack, near the boundary line.
Most people have no idea that Area 51 today has anywhere from about 1800 to 2200 part-time and full-time employees, all working on diverse, separate projects of highly compartmentalized programs conducted by defense contractors such as Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, General Atomics, TRW, etc. etc.
Some employees are assigned on a daily basis. Some stay at the base for a few days, a week, weeks, etc., depending on their assignments.
Both the Area 51 complex in Nevada and the Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah are definitely and actively pursuing diversified defense-related projects.

But what does this all have to do with UFOs?
Absolutely nothing.
To a segment of the population, Area 51 has become associated with "extraterrestrial technologies" only because of the allegation (i.e., from Robert Lazar) that there had been a back-engineering program conducted in secrecy at an allegedly, relatively small complex, allegedly hidden along the slope of Papoose Mountains, by Papoose Lake, about 10 miles south of Area 51.
There is no visible evidence of the existence of this S-4 site, as far as any detection by satellite photo is concerned.
The alleged S-4 site has become associated with Area 51 only because of its proximity to Area 51.
The bottom line to S-4 is that it is still an allegation only. That does not mean that it does not exist. It is inconclusive.

3) What is your take on the alleged crash of an alien spacecraft near Roswell in 1947?

My answer:

Again, the bottom line is that there is no hard, tangible, solid, physical, irrefutable, documentary evidence for that.
It is difficult for me to conceive in my mind that any such highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization, traversing through this vast space and arriving at our earth would even "crash".
The concept of something "crashing" is a typical human concept. It is part of a typical human concept, bound by a limited, "linear", "empirical" thinking.
Any highly advanced civilization (that could even penetrate our dimensional barrier in a non-linear fashion) would never have such accidents, in my opinion.

If there were indeed such a "crash" near Roswell in 1947, the only way it could have been a "crash" would have been if it were intentionally "staged".
My belief is that the Roswell incident (the "crash") was staged by the "entities" themselves or through an elitist group within the shadow government, in collusion with those "entities", for a purpose yet unknown.

and, finally,

4) Do you believe that there are actual, physical extraterrestrial craft being piloted or maneuvered by actual, physical extraterrestrial entities from outer space?

My answer:

The UFO phenomenon is definitely real, no question about it.
However, so far I see no actual, physical, solid, tangible, irrefutable evidence that there are actual, phyiscal extraterrestrial entities piloting or maneuvering actual, physical extraterrestrial craft.
But, then, what about the UFO phenomenon?
It is still a mystery.

Here is my take on the entire UFO phenomenon.
I owe everything to Dr. Jacques Vallee:

In my opinion, the so-called abduction phenomenon is a real phenomenon, "real" to the "abducteees".
It is "real".
However, we still do not know for sure what "real" is.
My opinion is that there are many levels of "reality".
What is "real" to one person may not necessarily be "real" to another person.
This is the greatest challenge in ufology.
This may be a crazy thing to say, but maybe this life here itself may not really be "real".
This is why I say that ultimate "reality" can be experienced only after our physical death.

Norio Hayakawa